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Transcript for: 2017 Hurricanes and Wildfires

Description: A GAO report revisited last year’s devastating natural 
disasters to see how federal and state or territorial agencies prepared 
for and responded to the hurricanes and wildfires.

Related GAO Work: GAO-18-472: 2017 Hurricanes and Wildfires: 
Initial Observations on the Federal Response and Key Recovery Challenges

Released: September 2018

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[ Chris Currie: ] We have a great opportunity to rebuild in a resilient 
way so the next time these things happen they're not as catastrophic.

[ Matt Oldham: ] Welcome to GAO's Watchdog Report, your source for news 
and information from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. I'm 
Matt Oldham. 2017 was an historic year for destructive natural 
disasters. The damage caused by Hurricanes Harvey, Irma, and Maria, and 
the California wildfires led to $120 billion in supplemental funding 
from Congress. I'm with Chris Currie. He's a director on our Homeland 
Security and Justice team, and he led a GAO report which looked at the 
preparations, response, and recovery to those devastating hurricanes 
and wildfires. Thanks for joining me, Chris.

[ Chris Currie: ] Chris Currie: Thank you.

[ Matt Oldham: ] So Chris, you and your team explored the federal and 
state responses and recovery efforts to the more damaging natural 
disasters from last year. What did you find?

[ Chris Currie: ] What we found in looking at the federal and state 
responses is that, you know, in Texas and Florida and then California 
with the wildfires, the response was about as we would have hoped it 
would be and planned for it to be, not that there were not challenges. 
There were absolutely challenges domestically with that. But we were 
able to overcome those with some of the coordination mechanisms that we 
had. Hurricane Maria was another story in Puerto Rico. What we had is 
basically everyone being overwhelmed in that circumstance. The 
territorial government was overwhelmed. FEMA was overwhelmed. And what 
we saw was, you know, basically FEMA had to call in the cavalry after 
they understood exactly what was happening. Literally. They had to 
bring DOD in to provide much of that support, way more so than DOD has 
ever provided in any other disaster. So that was certainly a very 
unique challenge that we found and something that FEMA is learning a 
lot of lessons from. You know one of the other things that happened is 
because the disasters were sequential, FEMA had already deployed many 
of its staff and most of its highly trained staff to Florida and Texas. 
So when Hurricane Maria hit, they couldn't quickly redeploy those folks 
to be as ready as they probably wanted to be there.

[ Matt Oldham: ] So were these new challenges or were some of them 
identified from past disasters?

[ Chris Currie: ] There's always new things that nobody ever thought 
would happen, and we have to deal with those. Clearly in Puerto Rico 
there were significant gaps and weaknesses that were identified 
actually before Hurricane Maria by FEMA and the territorial government. 
But you know, what we found is a lot of the things that happened are 
things that happen in every disaster. Recovery is always a very 
difficult challenge. We found housing issues, for example. With so many 
people affected in the states and territories, without homes, where do 
you put these people? Do they stay in hotels? Do they stay in rental 
housing? Do they stay in FEMA trailers? So trying to deal with that 
across the country, remember these disasters happened 4,000 miles apart 
from one another, was a massive challenge for FEMA.

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[ Matt Oldham: ] So a lot of resources and time and effort goes into 
preparing for natural disasters like we saw in 2017. But it sounds like 
there's not much we can do to prepare for three of these major 
hurricanes within a month, ending up with something like a Hurricane 
Maria when we already have so many people deployed elsewhere around the 
country. So Chris, what can the government do to overcome some of these 
challenges in the future?

[ Chris Currie: ] You're absolutely right. I mean it's very difficult 
to prepare for something like, that happened last year with three 
storms happening so quickly together. However, with extreme weather 
events happening more regularly, I think we have to prepare for those 
types of events. We have to have our staff and the federal workforce 
ready to respond to these types of things and be prepared. The other 
key is, you know, FEMA has to work with the state and local governments 
to understand the gaps and the weaknesses in preparedness. So there's a 
lot of things that we can do beforehand to make sure that we're 
prepared for these types of events.

[ Matt Oldham: ] Lastly, what do you believe is the bottom line of this 
report?

[ Chris Currie: ] Well, like any major catastrophic disaster, similar 
to Hurricane Katrina, there's always a number of lessons learned and 
things that we never thought would happen in the next disaster, so 
obviously learning from those and planning for them in the future. But 
I think what this shows us is how important some of those preparedness 
efforts are beforehand when we identify weaknesses and gaps that we 
really work to try to address them. Because these things are going to 
happen. The last issue I'd like to point out is that, you know, while 
these disasters are terrible things, given the amount of money that is 
going to be invested, particularly in rebuilding homes and 
infrastructure, we have a great opportunity to rebuild in a resilient 
way so the next time these things happen, they're not as catastrophic.

[ Matt Oldham: ] Chris Currie is a Homeland Security and Justice 
director, and he was talking about a GAO report on the federal and 
state responses and recovery efforts for the 2017 hurricanes and 
wildfires. Thank you for your time, Chris.

[ Chris Currie: ] Thank you.

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