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Transcript for: Education's Direct Loan Program

Description: Audio interview by GAO staff with Melissa Emrey-Arras,
Director, Education, Workforce and Income Security

Related GAO Work: GAO-16-523: Federal Student Loans: Education Could
Improve Direct Loan Program Customer Service and Oversight

Released: June 2016


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[ Narrator: ] Welcome to GAO's Watchdog Report, your source for news and
information from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. It's June
2016. In fiscal year 2015, the Department of Education issued almost $96
billion in direct loans for higher education to 9.1 million  borrowers.
Melissa Emrey-Arras, a director in GAO's Education Workforce and Income
Security team, led a recent review of the Direct Loan Program, looking
at potential issues with borrower communication and oversight of loan
servicers. Jacques Arsenault sat down with Melissa to talk about what
they found.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] First, can you tell me a little about the Direct
Loan Program and how it compares to other student loans?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] Sure. The Direct Loan Program involves loans
that come directly from the Department of Education and the government.
So, they are unlike private loans where you might go to a local bank to
get a student loan, these are coming directly from the government. And
they also have several options available that are quite beneficial. For
example, the Direct Loan Program provides several repayment options that
allow you as a borrower to pay less based on your income. So, there are
several benefits to participating in the Direct Loan Program.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] Now, the Department of Education administers this
loan program and the money is coming from the government, but borrowers
still have to deal loan servicers, right?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] That's right. And so the Department of
Education contracts with 10 different loan servicers. And these are
entities that collect the payments, they provide customer service, and
they operate call centers. So, if a student has a question or wants to
make a change to their repayment plan, they can call and talk to someone
live about their situation.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] OK. So, when it comes to that communication and
really customer service, how are those loan servicers doing?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] Well, we found that some borrowers that we
spoke with had a very hard time contacting their servicer by phone. Upon
hearing about this, we went and looked to see what the actual call
center hours are and we found that they vary tremendously. For example,
only one of the 10 servicers has call center hours on the weekends. And
the other call center hours are much more limited,especially for those
who live on the west coast. For example, one servicer's hours end at
1:30 Pacific Time. So, we're not even talking about evening or weekend
hours. We're talking about just standard business hours and not being
available during that time frame. And we found that all together,
limited weekday hours and early closing affected 8.6 million Direct Loan
borrowers. And this stands in contrast to other government call centers
that have much more extended hours. For example, the IRS call center
hours are between 7:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. local time.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] So, in addition to the kind of lack of
convenience, can you talk about the impact that those limited hours have
on borrowers of people who might be calling?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] I think the concern is that borrowers who are
struggling, especially those who are having trouble paying back their
loans are not going to be able to reach someone to speak to about their
situation and make changes so that they can avoid being late or
delinquent or potentially even defaulting on their loans.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] And do you have a sense of where these problems
originate? Are these loan servicers not fulfilling their contracts? Or
is there a problem with the contracts themselves?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] It's really a problem with the contracts
themselves. The Department of Education does not have a minimum standard
for call center hours. And as a result, the loan servicers can really
set the hours as they choose. And as we've seen, those hours are not
always set to benefit borrowers.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] So, then beyond the customer service angle, and
it certainly seems like there are problems there, your team also looked
more broadly at how the Department of Education oversees these
servicers. Can you tell me a bit about what you found there?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] Well, one of the things that we found is that
the Department really has trouble tracking borrower complaints. So, when
borrowers have a difficulty with their servicer or there's a concerned
about their loan, they can make a complaint. And those complaints are
important for the Department of Education to be aware of because then
they can make changes to improve customer service. But the problem now
is that the complaints are all in different locations and in different
systems and Education isn't able to track everything together and then
make improvements. We also found in addition to the issues with
complaint tracking that there are some financial incentives for
servicers that don't take into account customer service and program
integrity goals. For example, if a servicer is found guilty of breaking
the program's rules, it doesn't get less business in the future. For
example, we found that servicers had inappropriately denied borrowers a
full grace period before having to pay back their loans. But this had
absolutely no effect on the number of new accounts the servicers were
given the next year.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] So, it sounds like there's a lot of work that
education needs to do in terms of how these contracts are set up and the
oversight that they're doing and maybe consequences or something along
those lines. Can you tell me about the recommendations that GAO is
making in this report?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] We're making several recommendations. The first
is that Education should establish a minimum standard in those contracts
that specifies what the core call center hours are to really improve
call center availability. Especially for those who are living on the
west coast. We also are making a recommendation that it improve how it
tracks borrower complaints to make sure that it can capture all of the
complaints and not just some of them. And then we finally are making a
recommendation that it change the way that it evaluates and compensates
loan servicers to really improve customer service.

[ Jacques Arsenault: ] And then finally, what would you say is the
bottom line of this report?

[ Melissa Emrey-Arras: ] I think the bottom line is that there are some
significant weaknesses currently in the management of the Direct Loan
Program and that these weaknesses make it difficult for the Department
of Education to ensure that student loan borrowers are getting good
customer service that they really need to manage and pay back their
loans.

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