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Transcript for: Timely Access to Outpatient Specialty Heath Care for
Veterans 

Description: Audio interview by GAO staff with Debra Draper, Director,
Health Care

Related GAO Work: GAO-14-808: VA Health Care: Management and Oversight 
of Consult Process Need Improvement to Help Ensure Veterans Receive 
Timely Outpatient Specialty Care


Released: October 2014


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[ Narrator: ] Welcome to GAO's Watchdog Report, your source for news and
information from the U.S. Government Accountability Office. It's October
2014. Delays in VA medical center care have reportedly harmed some
veterans. In 2012, VA found that its consult data were not adequate to
determine the extent to which veterans received timely outpatient
specialty care. A team led by Debra Draper, a director in GAO's Health
Care team, recently reviewed VA's management of the consult process.
GAO's Sarah Kaczmarek sat down with Debra to talk about what they found.

[ Sarah Kaczmarek: ] How much of a delay are veterans facing in
receiving timely specialty care appointments?

[ Debra Draper: ] In our work, we found that veterans are facing delays
in many of the medical centers. We included five medical centers in our
review and we found issues in all five medical centers. And this
includes initial triaging of a consult request, that is, a consult
request is when a primary care physician, typically a primary care
physician, will request a specialty care provider to assess an
individual for a particular clinical concern or to perform some type of
specialty care procedure. So we found that the seven-day guideline that
VA has was not always met and that was in about 1 in 5 consult requests
that we reviewed. For about 4 in 5 consult requests we reviewed, we
found that care was not provided within VA's 90-day timeliness
guideline, we did find major delays in care being provided.

[ Sarah Kaczmarek: ] How big is this problem, and how many veterans are
potentially impacted by this?

[ Debra Draper: ] Across the 5 medical centers that were included in our
review we found delays in all 5 medical centers. So it's a big problem,
and as I mentioned, we found that for 80 percent of the consults we
reviewed, that care was not provided within the 90-day guideline. For
example, we had one medical center where there were 4 of the 10 physical
therapy consults we reviewed, of those, between 108 and 152 days elapsed
between the time the consult request was submitted to when the care was
provided; and for 3 of those, the consult request was actually returned
to the primary care provider without the care ever being provided.

[ Sarah Kaczmarek: ] Your report points to some key limitations with
VA's oversight.  Can you tell me about some of the main challenges here?

[ Debra Draper: ] Overall we found that VA's oversight of the consult
process is limited and cannot ensure that veterans are receiving timely
access to specialty care. VA does not routinely assess how the medical
centers local consult processes so they can't really determine how well
those processes are working and whether veterans are receiving timely
care. VA has not required medical centers to document how they're
closing out consults, so, often consults are closed and there's no
apparent reason for why the consult was closed, and in some of those
cases the veterans never received care. They also don't have a formal
process where medical centers can share best practices and the problem
with that is a lot of times medical centers will have encountered
something related to the management of consults. They've run into issues
or challenges and they've dealt with that and then another medical
center will come along and deal with the same issue but because the best
practices aren't shared they don't understand what other medical centers
have had to deal with. And then finally for VA, patient no-shows and
cancelled appointments are a big problem and VA does not have a
system-wide process for how to handle those, so what happens when you
have patient no-shows and cancelled appointments, it does take up time
in the schedule so that's really a wasted slot for someone who could
have used that care.

[ Sarah Kaczmarek: ] What recommendations is GAO making to VA then in
this report?

[ Debra Draper: ] We have quite a few recommendations that we're making
to VA, really the objective to improve the oversight of specialty care
consult process and to make sure that veterans are actually receiving
the care that they need. We recommended that VA ensure that specialty
care providers, including residents who maybe serving on a temporary
basis, are appropriately documenting the consults and closing them out
in the electronic system. We're also recommending that VA routinely
assess the consult process at the local medical center level. At this
point, they don't really do any independent verification of what local
medical centers are doing. We also recommend that--that VA require
medical centers to document the rationales for closing consults. As I
mentioned earlier, that often times, it is unclear why they're closing a
consult that's not properly documented.

[ Sarah Kaczmarek: ] Finally for veterans, what do you see as the bottom
line of this report?

[ Debra Draper: ] Well, what we found was that there are delays in care,
and we found this in every facility that we visited. And we found that
care was not always being provided in a timely manner. And I think for
veterans, you know, they really have to advocate for their own care, and
if they feel like care is not being provided in a timely basis, there
are certain actions they can take. They can contact the local medical
center patient advocate, they could talk to local medical center
leadership, and you know, in some cases, it may be appropriate to even
contact the VA's Office of the Inspector General.

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